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  1. I don't want you to think I'm bashing GoP, Youda, Orange, etc. I'm trying to provide a viewpoint that seems to have been overlooked and make constructive suggestions to improve the POKER experience. 1) I suggested Limit and Pot Limit Hold'Em. I realize that these don't typically generate the chip flow/turnover of NLHE, but they could, if you only institute them at the higher venues (Vegas, The Strip -- maybe something modest in Gold Rocks as an intro). These betting forms are more resistant to all-in mania. DISCLOSURE: I don't personally play these forms, but many people find them less threatening and "dangerous" to their stacks. This lets them focus on their play. 2) Multi-Table Tournaments (MTTs) are probably the most popular form in live casinos/poker rooms. People will drive to a venue to play a tournament who wouldn't make a trip for a cash game. The WSOP and other major NLHE competitions are MTTs. I fully agree that cheating and chip dumping were real issues in the Big Win, and one that should concern every Big Win player, but for every cheater, there were 1000s who enjoyed them. It' a very different game. I feel that you could dissuade cheating by other means vs, simply shutting down all the MTTs. Among such changes: make them a once-a-day (or less) event with a single buy-in (no rebuys) vs the old back-to-back (often nearly continuous) separate BigWins at each level with unlimited re-buys flatten the payout structure so the Top Winners don't collect such giant payouts but more people get a reward worth pursuing, create several smaller tournaments (e.g. named after Texas cities) rather than one giant tournament and only allow players to play ONE of them on any given day, creating smaller tournaments/reward pools and makinging any cheating "local" vs. "global". Change the form of rewards, as well as the reward structure; e.g. instead of big cash rewards, top winners could win trophies which they could display OR cash for chips. Most would keep them for bragging rights, which would actually deflate the outstanding chip pool. I wouldn't, of course, suggest doing all of these at once. These are just a few ideas from a few minutes' thought. I'm sure you could come up with many others. Each of these should be implementable by extending/"rebranding" features already in the software. 3) You have Heads-Up poker, but it is exiled to its own little ghetto. It's not readily visible to most players browsing the tables unless they (know to/think to) go looking for it. Instead of having a chip buy-in, it requires gold coins. You could do something more withthe existing heads-up software instead of exiling it to the hnterlands like blackjack (which doesn't belong in a poker room, IMHO). Consider how prominently you are pushing slots (another non-poker game), making them impossible to ignore, and essentially REQUIRED to spin. Doesn't Heads-up Hold Em, a legitimate form of POKER that you have ALREADY IMPLEMENTED, deserve better than that? With a few changes in game structure (e.g. not just the existing HU Challenge), rewards and placement, HU could have a real place in the GoP poker ecosystem.
  2. I doubt anyone at GoP/Youda/Orange is old enough to remember the cheap gimmicky off-strip Vegas motels of the 60s/70s. I was only 5 years old myself when I visited one. (Don't ask how old the hooker was) Back then, it was a common gimmick to spin for everything. There were banks of slots as you left the luggage area. Checking out of you motel? Eating at a nonfancy restaurant? Checking in at the airline ticket counter? It wasn't uncommon to spin for a prize (usu a small discount or upgrade). I don't know why they were everywhere. Maybe there were a lot of surplus mechanical slot machines that they couldn't use anymore. Maybe it was just a psychological marketing ploy. Maybe the casinos even supported it to get you in the gamboooool mood. While I'm sure you have thought your plans through carefully to "maximize the return" of your reward dollar by encouraging wishful thinking vs. solid rewards, I feel obligated to remind you that you'll never limit the heedless all-inners [aka "bingo players") that you claim to be concerned about, when you steadily move EVERYTHING towards random luck. Ever since you introduced the slot machine last year, you've been trying to FORCE us to play slots and EMPHASIZED random luck. WE ARE POKER PLAYERS. Poker is a game of skill (with an element of luck). When you login, you frequently are offered a free spin. To get bonus (x2) point time, you spin a slot every 4hrs. You can also do daily activities, but slots are on that list too. What do you win for Team challenges? Various types of spins! Super Spins, Mega Spins, Ultra Spins, Bronze tickets, Silver tickets, Gold tickets, Diamond tickets, Ruby tickets -- if nothing else, it bespeaks a lack of imagination. Spins are easy. Meanwhile, you've steadily stripped down the poker options due to "cheating". No more multitable tournaments. No more per hand-credit at single table tournaments. No more private/invitation rooms. I agree that there were cheaters, but these were among your most popular options, POKER options -- all now gone. What's been added? Variations on the same-old plus higher stakes. No other games but No Limit (Royal is just an easily implemented variant). Sure, programming Omaha might be a serious project, but Limit or Pot-LImit Hold'em should be easy to do. You already have the buttons: just remove "all in" and change or eliminate the slider. DRAW poker with require a little change in the mechanics, but you've had years to implement it, and never even considered any variants. Instead you added blackjack and slots. It's beginning to look like you aren't even thinking POKER at all And now All-inners are THE SCOURGE (as cheaters once were), and you're changing the structure to fight them -- and once again throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Less poker, more random spins only encourages the "pray and play" you CLAIM to oppose. If you want to run a slot parlor, just go out and do that. It's certainly 1000x easier to program a slot machine, and takes far less staff to run. But no, you probably shouldn't. About a million other sites have been doing this for decades, spending almost exclusively on marketing vs anything else.
  3. elon

    Constantly In & Out Of Games

    Let me guess: it's "The Condiment" [not their real name, but everyone who knows them will understand) She's been doing this for years. Maybe she's hunting ppl on her sucker list. There are other nefarious possibilities, but I don't think she's nefarious, and I don't want to give others ideas. Others know her play better. The good news is, based on my few interactions with her, if you're solid at the game/table you're playing, you don't need to worry much. She;'s just a bit aggressive.
  4. elon

    diamond rewards

    I don't think that was his point at all. His point was that a diamond ticket shouldn't win you a reward that is a fraction of what you ALREADY get for free on any day of routine play. Every day, you can get three 30m x2 from free spins, one (more likely two) 15m x2 from playing that 90min of free x2, and maybe a 30min. That's a reasonable expectation of 120-150 min of free x2 bonus time every day if you play three short sessions spread over the day or 30-45 min of x2 on every day that you just pop in once and play for half an hour. I hope you can see how spinning a Diamond ticket and getting a bonus doubler wouldn't feel like a reward but rather like a Bad Beat. Who wants to be rewarded with Bad Beats? Your current system of granting additional bonus time with increasing daily activity is definitely a good way to encourage, reward and "bring fun" to the casual player. Diamond chest players are a bit beyond casual. 10K points equals many hours of play per week -- a lot for a hobby. Now, to be fair (just so you don't think I'm bashing you), you may be looking at the overall prize spread, including teams that don't make many chests. But I'd argue that a Diamond chest represents a significant investment of time for that individual, even if their team only earns 2-3 chests. I wouldn't want to push the MVPs or top players of casual/friendly/community teams to leave for 8-chest teams. That's no fun. It's more fun to be on a team with people you know/enjoy.
  5. Oops. I forget to mention the #8 team: Persian Cat. The leader board says they made 879M in the past 105 hours, yet the team only has 279M total. How can a team have 600M less than the leaderboard says it won? The leaderboard shows NET PROFIT (or is supposed to), not only winnings. I know watch my own team go up and down during the week. If it was only showing "chips won" instead of net profit (winnings minus losses), the number would only go up. I'll add a screencap of Persian Cat to the album. Sorry, I know it'll mess up the order of pictures even more.
  6. First off, let me state up front that I mean no disparagement of any of the teams or players I will be citing. My admiration of their achievements is boundless. While browsing profiles of winning teams, I simply noted some extreme anomalies that make me question if the Team Leaderboard might be broken. If not, maybe someone else will find these numbers as interesting as I did. Since I don't see a way to embed images in the current board software, I've created a portfolio here: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198433187498/images/?appid=767 The first second screencap (sorry the album displays them in "newest-first" order) is of the current leaderboard at the time I'm posting this (~6am Central European Daylight Time, with 2 full days remaining on the challenge) The second first screencap is of the #1 team (Lol Europa), which the Leaderboard says won over 4 Billion net (4,000,000,000 chips) in the last 105 hours -- or over 100Million (100,000,000) per team member. As you can see, the team's total chest is only 6.7Billion, so they would have had to have started the challenge with 2.7B and then won 4B in just over 4 days. Yet they only have one player with over 1Billion chips, and most of their team doesn't even have 100M chips, much less recently won it. Now I'm not saying amazing things can't happen in poker, especially when millions of people are playing. The #2 team (Club VIP+) is reported to have won 2 Billion this challenge (2,000,000,000) with only two people on the team (and neither one plays a huge amount), but in their case, it's believable: those two players are extreme high stakes players with 7.5B and 4.7B chips (respectively), and have won 934M and 720M in a single hand. I want to be like them when I grow up. It's very believable that $2Billion isn't much more than a "good week" for them -- but I admire them even more when I realize what a bad week would be like for them. It would probably kill me. Not my stack. Me. D-E-A-D. Looking at the other teams on the leaderboard, I see some whose reported winnings this week seem plausible, given their stats: the #3 team also won almost 2Billion, but its players have a combined 30B in chips, so I can imagine that they just play REALLY hard. #7 .pokerlandia has almost 30Billion chips in their stack, so winning 1Billion in a week doesn't seem impossible. And so on. I also see other teams that make me wonder: team stacks of ~5 billion (like #4 Knightgame and #5 Bonheur), which have reportedly won ~1Billion in the last 4 days, teamwide! Wow. I thought I knew what good luck looked like (I'm a VIP+ myself), but I guess I've never seen it, not even in TV poker. I definitely know what BAD luck looks like: I've had teammates who had multi-billion stacks, took a bad beat and tilted all their billions away in one day, either at the poker table or the slots. But that's understandable. It's easy to LOSE money. Even my dog could do that -- and knowing him, he would if I let him play poker. That wagging tail is SUCH a giveaway. Anyway, as I said, I was just curious if you could check. And, if the Leaderboard is working fine, I hope that at least someone finds these observations interesting -- or inspiring. Hey, the next team to triple their team stack overnight could be yours -- or mine.
  7. elon

    Time related error Can't load GOP3

    It's working now, but I was unable to play yesterday evening [see my prior post as proof] and as a result missed my first day in this challenge. Will GOP be doing something to remedy this, as in prior extended server failures?
  8. elon

    Time related error Can't load GOP3

    Their HTTPS certificate has expired. No one with a modern browser can get in (a few may still allow user override, but most browsers don't. It's not a good idea, regardless) Specificallt, it's the certificate for auth-live.gop3.nl that expired at 2359 UTC April 22
  9. elon

    Questions & Answers

    AFAIK, if you join a team during a challenge, you can't participate in the challenge on that team in that week. At least that used to be the rule. Also I believe that once you've COMPLETED a challenge (i.e. become eligible to cash it), the chests you've won are part of your account, not the team's account. There are two ways to complete a challenge: 1) if you personally reach diamond level; and 2) when the challenge ends. A warning for MOST players: I wouldn't suggest that anyone change teams during a challenge unless they've cashed all their chests. If you haven't reached Diamond, you could lose any chests you won on the old team, and not be able to earn anything that week on your new team. I remember lots of complaints in the past from people who screwed themselves because they didn't understand this or who got screwed when their team booted them before the end of the challenge. I don't know if GoP has moderated this bright-line policy.
  10. elon

    Error: Server Error - FIXED \(**)/

    Yes, my son gets an error on the goverorofpoker.com site with the unhelpful message "Whoops, looks like something went wrong."
  11. I've never seen this before at any level. Twice in the same hand (postflop and on the turn) in Spin Tower I raised, but the software only registered a call. It wasn't even close to a misclick (I was playing fullscreen on a desktop) Obviously, I lost with the strongest hand pre flop/postflop/turn (or I wouldn't be complaining), because the other player could safely check as well, until they ultimately beat me on the river. I assume that you use the same subroutines on all levels (which I've never had a problem with before), but I felt I had to report this, in case others were having nthe same issue.
  12. IP addrss can be spoofed/proxied. Make it one tournament buy-in per user/acct per week . This would greatly reduce the opportunity for chip transfer/cheating. It wouldn't completely eliminate it, but I think reducing possible chip transfers to one buy-in per acct (per week) would be a great improvement, and allow the return of the (much missed) tournaments. Once per IP would interfere wth families/housemates while simultaneously inviting "gaming the system via proxy" by cheaters. Compared to "standard cash games" Tournaments have as different a strategy as S'n'G, heads-up etc. It's possibly the second most popular format of Texas Hold'em (or maybe the MOST popular) in actual casino/cardroom games. The unlimited rebuys were the biggest problem. They were appealing to newcomers, but you won't find ANY casino/cardrrom offering that (due to the risk of abuse), even though casino/cardrooms have more/easier monitoring of a smaller number of players. A single weekly buy-in (with maybe ONE rebuy) is safer/easier. Besides, a single weekly buy-in gives a tournanments "sense of occassion". I makes it feel special by making it something you can't do indiscriminately.
  13. elon

    Feature requests

    I sincerely apologize for misestimating you. It wasn't personal. I was strongly swayed by two things (as I mentioned): 1) Many people complain here that GoP is somewhow rigged. IMHO, it isn't, but one must adapt to the playing conditions here (or in any free social game), which are not the same as a home game, a casino, or a cash online game. 2) I was very surprised to learn, on a review of my recorded games from almost a year ago, that my card play has actually changed very little, even though I now may win as much in a single week as my entire six-month stack back then. My big changes are (a) a little more discipline in following the math; (b) a better understanding of the relatively infrequent situations where I personally want to bluff(*); and (c) the game is more logical/PROFITABLE at higher stakes where opponents play better and less recklessly. (*) I am risk-averse. I seek to profit on my raw plays every single week, and usually stockpile my Team Challenge winnings instead of cashing them. I have teammates whom I admire who play a much more volatile game. That's an equally legitimate strategy, but I would not feel happy (at present) winning and losing on the order of billions in a week. I guess I'm not a gambler. However, I'm afraid I still don't understand what you mean when you say Higher levels Sit'n'Gos are "more of a gamble". Isn't the blind structure identical (3000 table chips; starting blinds of 100/50)? Doesn't a typical SnG takes roughly 15min at any level? Yes, those 3000 table chip correspond to more "real chips" if you win or lose, but that's what it means to play at a higher buy-in. Lower blinds and other conditions that allow longer play definitely benefit more skilled players IN A CASH GAME. In a SnG, length of play is limited by the steadily rising blinds, and cashout depends on completing the table, not a few expertly played hands, so I believe that the variance only SEEMS greater because a table of SnG takes much longer than one hand of a cash game. The advantage of being a more skilled player remains; it just takes longer to manifest. For me, at least, a Vegas SnG is much less of a gamble than the lower levels were, and since they are all 3000TC starting at 100/50 blinds, I can't see how it's more of a gamble. I'm very interested in your views. I'm still just a student of the game.
  14. elon

    Feature requests

    As someone who has played Sit'n'Gos as a core competence from Beginner to Vegas [I play all the games profitably, except Push-or-Fold, where I only dabbled as a beginner, but sit'n'go has been my safest/biggest moneymaker, especially in Vegas] I have to admit I don't understand your complaint about higher levels being "just a gamble". I found quite the opposite. Higher levels are easier to play, if you understand the math and the players. The amount of "Real Play" (as you see it) can only increase if it takes longer to play a single S'n'G. In truth, it's Real Play on every hand [until near the Head's up stage, where you can circle each other for many hands, but eventually have to pick a hand to live/die on]. I don't think many players at the high levels are going to want to play round that take 30min instead of 15. When you have a limited stack (3000 to start) long drawn out battles amplify the role of luck vs skill. It only takes one bad beat to kill you. I recently reviewed some sessions from a year ago, when I had a tiny fraction of my current stack, and I find that I'd play 95% of my hands exactly the same now. Of the 5% I'd play differently, I'd say that 3% were a "failure of discipline" [I KNOWINGLY took a risk that I wouldn't take now] and only 2% were due to any real insight that I didn't have then -- that's one hand in 50! To me, the biggest difference between then and now is that my opponents play better and more sensibly in Vegas than that did at the lower levels. I get sucked out less because my opponents understand the nuances of THEIR hands better. It may sound like I'm saying that wacky gambbling is a way to beat them -- it's not! Irrational players may suck me out on some big hands, but they quickly lose those chips to others. They redistributed some of my winnings, whereas I kept most of them, and now have a stack that I literally thought was impossible for me last year. On rev iew, I conclude that the biggest difference for me is NOT that I am smarter now, but that my opponents know what they are doing. Players who dabble at this level (and one must, to improve) have to learn to adapt. Perhaps the most common complaint I've read on this board in the past year is "I've played real cash poker, but I lose here anyway (so there must be cheating)". The second most common is "It's impossible to win as much as the best players here do (so there must be cheating)". There has been *some* cheating, but overall that was never why I lost. The thing that held me back is that there is NO SINGLE UNIFORM STANDARD OF GOOD PLAY. You have to adjust your play to the play of your opponents IN THE GAME YOU'RE PLAYING NOW. It took me months to reach a stack equal to what I won this past week -- or the week before, or the week before that. Now, I can't even remember my last losing week. I used to feel terrible if I lost $2M chips in a week, but now I don't flinch at losing that in one hand, because I know I'll win it back (and more) within a day. And let me be clear here: I'M NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD POKER PLAYER, and I DON'T PLAY VERY MANY HOURS. All I do is: I adjust my play to the table I'm at, no matter what game or level I'm playing at. Last week, I tried to convince a friend to join me at a tournament at Foxwoods next week (it would be my first real cash game in over a decade), and they offered all sorts of excuses about how it's just a big gamble. Since I know they consider themselves a steel-nerved Heads-Up specialist and Aggressive Hero, I asked them "What three changes would you make to your game if you were playing Phil Hellmuth or Gus Hansen?" It's been a week. They still haven't answered. Now those two players are hardly my heroes, but I knew My friend admored them, and had watched hours of their videos, yet they might only imagine one way to change their game, but not two, much less three, agains the players they watched most. Those famous players change their play at every table, even from hand to hand. That's why they make REAL Millions. TLDR: if you want to win, learn to adjust your play to the table you're sitting at. Not the level, but the exact table -- be they tired, drunk, on tilt from the last bad beat or big win. Play the table you're at, not the rules you think you know.